Saturday Feb 6

[Stickboy46]

You took everything SOOOO far off to the other end of the spectrum, I'm not sure its even worth the argument, but here we go trying to clarify my thoughts.

Contempt? Really? Do you understand the definition of contempt?!? Here, I'll help. Besides the legal one (being held in contempt of court), contempt literally means the feeling with which a person regards anything considered mean, vile, or worthless; disdain; scorn. It's also the state of being despised; dishonor; disgraced. You really think Wichita should have this feeling about the Valley? Hell, the Valley went 23 years with different champions between 1983 and 2006 when you started this run you've been on, and you didn't win it from 2006 to 2012 either. So the Valley has been ok without Wichita being on top, and will be ok when it falls off the ladder as well. It's ok, that happens. To have "contempt" for the other teams in a league on which you've often been the whipping boy through various times in your history is completely short sided. We're all happy Wichita is doing well, and it's great for the league, but to say you as a program or fan base should have "contempt" for the rest of us is beyond ridiculous.

I still think contempt is the right word. Contempt that no one else is able to compete. That 1 or 2 losses makes us have to win the MVC tourament. It might be a little strong, but still not too far off base. Yes, it is short sighted, but that's how this works. We can't have 3 to 4 year periods, as a mid-major league, where everyone but one or two teams completely falls out of national relevancy or it hurts the league as a whole.

That's a strong assumption since the Valley Tournament seems to be your kryptonite. See last year's results and the "5th scariest team in the Valley" for reference

I agree its a strong assumption, and I don't agree with the 5th scariest comment. ISU and UNI (the good version) are the 2 I don't want to see.

Slow down Romeo. Didn't you guys just lecture us Redbirds that 1 loss wont break your season? Now why do you get to build arguments around 1 loss in the Valley?!?

Yup, exaggerated a bit, but an RPI 100 to 150 loss WILL hurt us come seeding time. There is only 1 team this year that we can lose to and it not be a "bad loss'. If we lose another, we are on the bubble.

I agree. The Valley has been very down... but it hasn't always been that way. If you know your Valley history you'll know you just happen to be dominating in a time in which the Valley in uncharacteristically down. But maybe that's why you're dominating... maybe it isn't you.. it's us?!?

I'd agree with this statement if WSU was dominating the league then lost in the first round of the NCAA. We've proven we are better than just a team dominating a down league.

You're right. As as matter of fact when we play Evansville on Thursday night the teams are actually going to meet at half court and have a coin flip to see who wins. Why even play the game? It's not Wichita after all. Did you happen to think that teams have to (wait for it) give their best efforts against teams that are the best in the conference?!? When you go out and play in a summer softball league and play against crap teams and those that are better, don't you grip the bat just a little bit tighter or focus a little more in the field against he better teams? It's natural man, that's how we're all wired. Do you think Wichita got up for the Bradley game and played with the same effort as the game you played against Kentucky last year? Come on, I've seen your posts and like you as a poster, you're better than this.

Its not just the players. Its the whole programs and fanbases. How many times does WSU roll into town and the program starts rolling out all sorts of promotions and a sold-out crowd appears. Then the rest of year the arenas are 1/2 or 1/3 full (Loyola and their 1,500 average attendance comes to mind)? That type of crap hurts recruiting for EVERYONE including WSU. Without good recruiting, the league wont get better. As far as Bradley vs UK (2 years ago). We may not have had the same intensity, but we got up enough to win by 20+. That's not what I'm talking about.

Yep, we've disappeared against every other team we've played. Hence the 1-20 record we currently have.

You guys are talented enough to disappear against a lot of the league and still win games. You have still lost quite a few games that you should have won though, enough to completely eliminate you from at-large consideration.

[Redbirdgrad]

Perspective.

Wow, just wow. This clenched it for me that you are "ShockerFever" over on the shockernet boards and this is what YOUR OWN BOARD is saying to you... Talk about perspective...

*QUOTING FROM THEIR BOARD BY A FELLOW SHOCKER FAN*

Your arguments are on the bottom. On your good days, level two. On REALLY good days, level 3. I have never seen you put forth the effort to do anything more than call someone names and point fingers like the proverbial playground bully. Most of your posts are one-sentence quips calling people idiots, special, or moronic; how many of your 23,000 posts are just insults? 5,000? 10,000? It takes a special type of person to devote so much time and energy to hate. And it is so transparent. When we lose, you relieve yourself by immediately looking for someone to attack. Go back to Seton Hall, to Orlando, to last year's semi-finals, etc. I'm sure you attack someone within 30 minutes of the loss (maybe even within seconds), and continue attacking for days. You single-handedly start half the arguments and flame-wars on the site; you even turned the POSTING GUIDELINES into a flame war.

I find your behavior to be overly aggressive and unhealthy. If this is the way you are in your personal life, I hope you see a therapist. I wish you the best, because from what's I've seen of your personality you'll need it.

[Redbird Recon]

ISUr isn't a good basketball team, and that's likely the highlight of the season. I celebrated like it was 1998.

[BirdsEyeView]

Haha I saw that too this morning. ShockerFever is not even liked by his own fanbase. Wow!

Stickboy - Just remember you are no better than anybody else. Stop turning your nose up to everyone. Please don't stoop to Championz level and pretend that their success is your success. I like talking to you on here.

By the way, that screen was not dirty. Blame your guy guarding Ransom for not warning him.

As for our lack of success - ISUr could very easily be in at large consideration. When we scheduled this year it was at the assumption we would have Reggie Lynch.
It's taking a longer adjustment period to play without his shot blocking and inside presence. We had leads vs Maryland, Kentucky, UAB, SIU, Indy St. and Mo St. If we finish those games we are having a different conversation about 100-150 RPI.

[Stickboy46]

ISUr isn't a good basketball team, and that's likely the highlight of the season. I celebrated like it was 1998.

While sad ... at least you are honest. I just hope the administration and coaching staff aren't of the same mindset.

[Championz]

ISUr isn't a good basketball team, and that's likely the highlight of the season. I celebrated like it was 1998.

A voice of reason. Thank you Recon. And no, you're not a bandie.

It looks horribly bad that all of a sudden Redbird fans are on posting sprees now. Pretty sad. Your posts would be appreciative however since you aren't an insecure bandie like a few of your counterparts here.

[Championz]

Perspective.

Wow, just wow. This clenched it for me that you are "ShockerFever" over on the shockernet boards and this is what YOUR OWN BOARD is saying to you... Talk about perspective...

*QUOTING FROM THEIR BOARD BY A FELLOW SHOCKER FAN*

Your arguments are on the bottom. On your good days, level two. On REALLY good days, level 3. I have never seen you put forth the effort to do anything more than call someone names and point fingers like the proverbial playground bully. Most of your posts are one-sentence quips calling people idiots, special, or moronic; how many of your 23,000 posts are just insults? 5,000? 10,000? It takes a special type of person to devote so much time and energy to hate. And it is so transparent. When we lose, you relieve yourself by immediately looking for someone to attack. Go back to Seton Hall, to Orlando, to last year's semi-finals, etc. I'm sure you attack someone within 30 minutes of the loss (maybe even within seconds), and continue attacking for days. You single-handedly start half the arguments and flame-wars on the site; you even turned the POSTING GUIDELINES into a flame war.

I find your behavior to be overly aggressive and unhealthy. If this is the way you are in your personal life, I hope you see a therapist. I wish you the best, because from what's I've seen of your personality you'll need it.

Did you clench your fists too?

[Stickboy46]

Haha I saw that too this morning. ShockerFever is not even liked by his own fanbase. Wow!

Stickboy - Just remember you are no better than anybody else. Stop turning your nose up to everyone. Please don't stoop to Championz level and pretend that their success is your success. I like talking to you on here.

By the way, that screen was not dirty. Blame your guy guarding Ransom for not warning him.

As for our lack of success - ISUr could very easily be in at large consideration. When we scheduled this year it was at the assumption we would have Reggie Lynch.
It's taking a longer adjustment period to play without his shot blocking and inside presence. We had leads vs Maryland, Kentucky, UAB, SIU, Indy St. and Mo St. If we finish those games we are having a different conversation about 100-150 RPI.

I don't correlate their success to mine, but I do enjoy their success.

Agree to disagree on the screen. He threw his upper body into Bakers head. No point in going down that path again.

I agree, you could have, and you had troubles due to Lynch. Either way .. you are still a "bad loss" this year. With Lynch, you could have maybe pulled off a win vsMD, or @UK. Without Lynch you guys are still talented enough to beat SDSU (Dakota), TCU, UAB, SIU, and MSU. You win those 5 games you should have won even without Lynch ... we still aren't having the same conversation about your poor RPI. It's not like Lynch went down with an injury during the season. The coaches had since last April to prepare.

[BirdsEyeView]

I'm not a bandie. Always on here.

Why wouldn't someone celebrate beating an 11-0 and #21 team in the country? Nobody said we didn't.

[Redbirdgrad]

It's not like Lynch went down with an injury during the season. The coaches had since last April to prepare.

They've had since April to prepare, which they've done schematically, etc., but him leaving when he did killed us in regards to recruiting and building a team.

As evidenced from the other thread, you can see we're weak at 2G. I truly believe HCDM thought we'd be ok with a below average 2G as long as we had Lynch in the middle and were strong on the wings. Take that away, and without the ability to recruit a game changing C to fit the mold of what we had... and we're scrambling...

The team is beginning to finally gel, but it's taken longer than expected and you can definitely notice the hole at C, which has magnified the hole at 2G. Luckily (like you said) our athleticism keep us in, or takes over most games.